August 5, 2006

Sizing up the Super-Sauropods (revised)

4:11 pm

In the comments to last Sunday’s post on the giant South American sauropod Puertasaurus, wolfwalker asked how this new contender for biggest dinosaur ever compares to Amphicoelias fragillimus, a giant North American sauropod named by Edward Drinker Cope in 1878.

Cope's figure of the holotype of Amphicoelias fragillimus

Amphicoelias fragillimus (“Doubly hollow and very fragile”) was only known from part of a dorsal vertebra collected near Cañon City, Colorado. Cope reported that the preserved portion of the bone measured 1.5 meters in height, and estimated that the complete vertebra would have been at least 6 feet tall. (The original description is relatively short, and well out of copyright, so I’ve taken the liberty of transcribing it into the HMNH Library. A scan of the description as it appeared in the journal American Naturalist is available elsewhere.)

Unfortunately, today nobody knows where this fossil is. How, you might ask, could anyone lose the better part of a six-foot-tall vertebra? Definitive answers are lacking, but most suspect that it crumbled to pieces in storage or transit (Cope didn’t call it “fragillimus” for nothing). So all we are left with is Cope’s original description and figure (reproduced to the left), making A. fragillimus something of a dinosaurian fish-story—the big one that got away.

Provided that Cope’s description is accurate (a claim not everyone is willing to accept, given the rather colorful state of paleontology at the time), Ampicoelias fragillimus would have been by far the largest diplodocid sauropod ever described. Diplodocids were a family of lean, long and low sauropods, whose members include Apatosaurus (75 feet long), Diplodocus (83 feet long), Barosaurus (93 feet long), and Seismosaurus (110 feet long). Scaling up a Seismosaurus skeleton to make the vertebrae as large as Amphicoelias fragillimus results in an animal about 160 feet long!

How does this compare to the newly-described Puertasaurus reuili? Puertasaurus is estimated to be 115 to 130 feet long, so it couldn’t match the estimated length of Amphicoelias. But Puertasaurus was a titanosaur, a group that had a wider, heavier, and stockier build than their distant diplodocid cousins. So, even though it would have taken more steps to walk the length of Amphicoelias fragillimus, Puertasaurus would still have been a much somewhat more massive animal. This is easy to see when you compare their vertebrae side-by-side: See the revision below:

Comparison of the vertebrae of four large sauropods

From left to right:

 

  • The diplodocid Seismosaurus hallorum dorsal 3 (from the Jurassic exhibit at the NMMNHS),
  • The diplodocid Amphicoelias fragillimus dorsal 9/10? (after Cope 1878),
  • The titanosaur Argentinosaurus huinculensis dorsal 4? (after Novas et al 2005),
  • The titanosaur Puertasaurus reuili dorsal 2 (ibid). Scale equals 1 meter.

To see the scale of the different animals, I worked up a rough series of silhouettes. Click on the image for a larger version:

Size comparison of four super-sauropods

From left to right:

  • The diplodocid Seismosaurus hallorum (skeleton on display at the NMMNHS–110 ft. long),
  • The diplodocid Amphicoelias fragillimus (est. 160 ft. long),
  • Homo sapiens (6 ft. tall),
  • The titanosaur Argentinosaurus huinculensis (skeleton on display at the Fernbank Museum–123 ft. long),
  • The titanosaur Puertasaurus reuili (est. 135 ft. long),
  • African Elephant Loxodonta africana (13 ft. tall at the shoulder).

Note that this image is no more than a rough guideline—none of the sauropods are known from more than a 30% complete skeleton, and the proportions of the titanosaurs are particularly sketchy. But I think it is safe to say that the enormous sauropods coming out of South America are giving even the most legendary giants of the western U.S. a run for their money.

Revision 8/18: Something isn’t quite right about the images above.
Something seemed amiss when I saw this image over at NewCritters.com. The Puertasaurus vertebra pictured there couldn’t be as large as I’d made it in the comparison above.

After double-checking the figures in Novas et al.’s paper, I realized that they had illustrated this vertebrae with two different scales. In Figure 2 of the paper, the scale shows it to be consistent with the reported height of 106 centimeters. In Figure 3, where this vertebra is compared to those of other sauropods, the scale shows it to be at least 25% larger. Since the latter figure had an Argentinosaurus vertebra to (what I assumed was) the same scale, I used that figure for the above diagram without double-checking the text. A revised vertebral comparison (showing the discrepancies in the original figures) is shown below:

Revised Comparison of the Vertebrae of Several Large Sauropods

From left to right:

 

  • The diplodocid Seismosaurus hallorum dorsal 3 (from the Jurassic exhibit at the NMMNHS),
  • The diplodocid Amphicoelias fragillimus dorsal 9/10? (after Cope 1878),
  • The titanosaur Puertasaurus reuili dorsal 2 (after Novas et al 2005, Figure 3),
  • The titanosaur Puertasaurus reuili dorsal 2 (after Novas et al 2005, Figure 2). Scale equals 1 meter.

What a difference in size! The smaller version on the right is consistent with the reported measurements and photographs, and I feel fairly confident that this is the correct size. It makes it much smaller, however, and much closer in scale to Seismosaurus than Amphicoelias.

How would this affect the size of the animal? More on that later…

Revision 8/19: Updating the animals

In putting together the silhouette comparison above, I modified an outline of Gabriel Lio’s Puertasaurus restoration for the two titanosaurs. The resulting outlines of Argentinosaurus and Puertasaurus seemed a little beefy to me, but since they were in keeping with the relative sizes of the vertebrae, I figured they were fairly close. With the revised size of the Puertasaurus vertebra, I thought I’d try another method.

A Google image search revealed a couple of good photos of the skeletal reconstruction of Argentinosaurus huinculensis mounted at the Fernbank Museum of Natural History, which comes in at 123 feet long. Using these images, I came up with a revised giant-titanosaur silhouette for Argentinosaurus and Puertasaurus which is considerably more svelte. However, plugging them into the comparison with Seismosaurus and Amphicoelias shows that they were still nothing to sneeze at (click on the image for a larger version):

Revised comparison of the super sauropods

From left to right:

  • The diplodocid Seismosaurus hallorum (skeleton on display at the NMMNHS–110 ft. long),
  • The diplodocid Amphicoelias fragillimus (est. 160 ft. long),
  • Homo sapiens (6 ft. tall),
  • African Elephant Loxodonta africana (13 ft. tall at the shoulder).
  • The titanosaur Argentinosaurus huinculensis (skeleton on display at the Fernbank Museum–123 ft. long),
  • The titanosaur Puertasaurus reuili (maximum est. 135 ft. long).

—Matt Celeskey.

8 Responses to “Sizing up the Super-Sauropods (revised)”

  1. Nice job, Matt. Answered my question very clearly & precisely.

    As an aside: I first heard of A. fragillimus several years ago, from a friend who was at the time a paleontology grad student, and who currently is (I hope) a working paleontologist somewhere. At the time he said it was known from the original partial vertebra “and rumored other material,” and he spoke of it as if it was a rock solid thing. So I’m a bit irritated to find that it’s known only from the original vertebra, that the fossil itself is lost, and that there’s an argument over whether or not it’s legitimate. Is the argument a real one, with sound reasoning on both sides? Or is it like the dinosaur-bird argument, with most workers in the field lined up on one side and only a few determined rogues on the other?

    Another aside: if what I’ve heard is right, losing a sauropod fossil apparently isn’t all that hard, and ironically it’s precisely because they’re so bloody big. They’re so big and so expensive to prepare and mount that unless they’re good specimens, they aren’t worth the cost. So they simply get put into storage and forgotten. Brigham Young University has something like 120 tons of unprepared bones stored away. A large chunk of that collection is sauropod bits.

  2. Hi wolfwalker—thanks for the question. I enjoyed comparing the sauropods, and didn’t expect the new titanosaur verts to be so much more massive than Amphicoelias.

    I’ve never heard of any other A. fragillimus material, but that could just mean that I haven’t heard the rumors. Near as I can tell, the type vertebra is the only specimen mentioned in the literature.

    Regarding the legitimacy of Cope’s measurements—Wikipedia’s entry on the genus suggests that the “Bone Wars” between Cope and Marsh may have led Cope to either inadvertently or deliberately exaggerate the size of the specimen. That is the only source I know of that uses the conflict to cast doubt on the size of A. fragillimus. While both Cope and Marsh engaged in less-than-rigorous scientific behavior, without further proof to the contrary I’m inclined to give Cope the benefit of the doubt.

    Ultimately, I don’t think that it causes much debate, certainly not enough to have researchers lining up on one side or another. Were there 160-foot diplodocids roaming the Jurassic West? Did Cope exaggerate his measurements in order to ’scoop’ his rival? Both scenarios are possible, and they are not mutually exclusive. But without a specimen, all arguments are moot.

    One thing that I think is cool about the new titanosaurs—they show that animals of such stature are physically possible, and they did exist!

  3. [...] The Hairy Museum of Natural History has an excellent blog post discussing the massive size of P. reuili and comparing it to the mythical Amphicoelias fragillimus. [...]

  4. [...] A photo posted over at NewCritters.com has led me to revise my earlier post comparing the newly-described Puertasaurus reuili with the legendary Amphicoelias fragillimus. Turns out Puertasaurus is a little less massive than I had portrayed it, although I still wouldn’t want to carry one for any distance. [...]

  5. Hey guys,Speaking of very large sauropods, Dunno if you are interested but you might be aware that there were dinosaur footprints discovered in Broome Australia by that were 1.7 meters long, thats about 5′6″!so the maker of these prints must have been pretty damn big. Also Bruhathkayosaurus was by the sounds of things a fair bit bigger than Argentinosaurus if the fossil was a genuine sauropod?

  6. Hi All – Matt, nice job with the article, even the revised version…but I’m afraid you’ve still got the Amphicoelias much too small. Unfortunately, I can’t say anything else about it ’til a few months, and then all I can say is: go to SVP 2008. But Puertasaurus is indeed one big mofo!

  7. Hi Jerry -

    Too small you say? Well, better in this case to have erred on the side of caution, I suppose. Can’t wait to hear more, and I’ll be certain to revise it again then!

  8. hi-very interesting information-i dont know much about sauropods but -in my opinion -the largest ones would have yet to be discovered -byu museum may have some massive bones never recorded -but the brachiosaur species as a whole are still massive and taller than most sauropods discovered.With more and more massive bones aiming to belong to the largest dinosaurs-there seems like no limit for size in land animals as of yet.

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