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	<title>Comments on: Scales from Kyrgyzstan</title>
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	<description>The institutionalized doodles and discoveries of a dead-animal designer.</description>
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		<title>By: Chad.Mull</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chad.Mull</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 00:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a recent scientific article considerung some new specimens of Longisquama:

http://www.springerlink.com/content/365408287l2v655x/

Voigt et al. (2008): Feather-like development of Triassic diapsid skin appendages. Naturwissenschaften (in press)

With some interesting ideas (arguably).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a recent scientific article considerung some new specimens of Longisquama:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.springerlink.com/content/365408287l2v655x/" rel="nofollow">http://www.springerlink.com/content/365408287l2v655x/</a></p>
<p>Voigt et al. (2008): Feather-like development of Triassic diapsid skin appendages. Naturwissenschaften (in press)</p>
<p>With some interesting ideas (arguably).</p>
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		<title>By: neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 23:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Matt, 

Once again I&#039;ve nicked a drawing from your blog (credited of course!).  Hope it&#039;s okay!

cheers,
Neil</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Matt, </p>
<p>Once again I&#8217;ve nicked a drawing from your blog (credited of course!).  Hope it&#8217;s okay!</p>
<p>cheers,<br />
Neil</p>
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		<title>By: Hairy Museum of Natural History &#187; Sharov&#8217;s Wondrous Wing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hairy Museum of Natural History &#187; Sharov&#8217;s Wondrous Wing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 22:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Sharovipteryx was discovered by paleontologist Alexander Sharov, who found it and another amazing reptile in 1965 while collecting Triassic insect fossils in Kyrgyzstan. The only known specimen of Sharovipteryx shows that it was a slender, lizard-like animal with short arms and very long legs. It is the oldest animal known to have a gliding membrane attached to its limbs, a trait that would later evolve in supreme vertebrate aerialists like pterosaurs and bats. But while pterosaurs and bats expanded their arms and fingers to support their wings, Sharovipteryx is the only known animal to have evolved leg-based wings. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Sharovipteryx was discovered by paleontologist Alexander Sharov, who found it and another amazing reptile in 1965 while collecting Triassic insect fossils in Kyrgyzstan. The only known specimen of Sharovipteryx shows that it was a slender, lizard-like animal with short arms and very long legs. It is the oldest animal known to have a gliding membrane attached to its limbs, a trait that would later evolve in supreme vertebrate aerialists like pterosaurs and bats. But while pterosaurs and bats expanded their arms and fingers to support their wings, Sharovipteryx is the only known animal to have evolved leg-based wings. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: neutrino_cannon</title>
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		<dc:creator>neutrino_cannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2005 17:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Integument is only a thermoregulatory advantage to endotherms.  If you dress a lizard in fur, it just prevents it from using the sun to heat up.

Only a handful of small endothermic form lack integument of some sort, such as naked mole rats.  Clearly, anyone that would benefit from insulation already has it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Integument is only a thermoregulatory advantage to endotherms.  If you dress a lizard in fur, it just prevents it from using the sun to heat up.</p>
<p>Only a handful of small endothermic form lack integument of some sort, such as naked mole rats.  Clearly, anyone that would benefit from insulation already has it.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Celeskey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Celeskey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2005 04:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Pierce -

If you look at the &quot;transitional&quot; or &quot;protofeather&quot; covering on dinosaurs like Dilong or &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dinosauria.com/jdp/archie/sinosaur.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Sinosauropteryx,&lt;/a&gt; it resembles nothing so much as the fur that nearly every mammal is making good use of today. That&#039;s not to say that it was actually the same as hair, but it seems to have some similarity of form and probably offered similar benefits for warmth, display, etc.

As to why currently scaled critters aren&#039;t modifying their scales to similar effect, it is hard to say, since we don&#039;t exactly know why the first feathers (or hair, for that matter) evolved. It may be that today&#039;s reptiles are outcompeted by already-outfitted birds and mammals in niches where such coverings would provide a distinct advantage. It may also be that certain groups have modified their scales for other purposes that make evolving fur or feathers (or something else) less likely in the absence of strong selective pressures--turtles, for instance, have set up their scales for specific, protective purposes, and lizards and snakes are characterized by overlapping scales that are quite different from those of dinosaurs or other reptiles. Crocodilians, whose scales are probably most like those of ancestral dinosaurs, specialize in an aquatic lifestyle where extraneous coverings would put them at a distinct disadvantage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Pierce -</p>
<p>If you look at the &#8220;transitional&#8221; or &#8220;protofeather&#8221; covering on dinosaurs like Dilong or <a href="http://www.dinosauria.com/jdp/archie/sinosaur.htm" rel="nofollow">Sinosauropteryx,</a> it resembles nothing so much as the fur that nearly every mammal is making good use of today. That&#8217;s not to say that it was actually the same as hair, but it seems to have some similarity of form and probably offered similar benefits for warmth, display, etc.</p>
<p>As to why currently scaled critters aren&#8217;t modifying their scales to similar effect, it is hard to say, since we don&#8217;t exactly know why the first feathers (or hair, for that matter) evolved. It may be that today&#8217;s reptiles are outcompeted by already-outfitted birds and mammals in niches where such coverings would provide a distinct advantage. It may also be that certain groups have modified their scales for other purposes that make evolving fur or feathers (or something else) less likely in the absence of strong selective pressures&#8211;turtles, for instance, have set up their scales for specific, protective purposes, and lizards and snakes are characterized by overlapping scales that are quite different from those of dinosaurs or other reptiles. Crocodilians, whose scales are probably most like those of ancestral dinosaurs, specialize in an aquatic lifestyle where extraneous coverings would put them at a distinct disadvantage.</p>
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		<title>By: Pierce R. Butler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pierce R. Butler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2005 00:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a lot of good-sounding arguments as to why dinosaurs may have found &quot;transitional&quot; feathery scales useful (insulation, etc). If so, why aren&#039;t there critters with such coverings making similar good use of them now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a lot of good-sounding arguments as to why dinosaurs may have found &#8220;transitional&#8221; feathery scales useful (insulation, etc). If so, why aren&#8217;t there critters with such coverings making similar good use of them now?</p>
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